Tranny Outlaws
Godwins Law is quite an old law dating from the early days of internet discussion. The law states that:
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
I was going to write something about this last week when, during all the rumpus caused by Mara over her faked photographs, I was called a fascist by another member of the group for daring to lock a thread or keep some modicum of control over a Flickr group.
I notice this morning that Miss K has already invoked Godwins Law on a discussion on TrannyFlickr where again Mara has started claiming persecution and intolerence.
I still find Mara's barefaced cheek amazing. That she can post pictures that are so obviously different people its unreal and claim that "This is the real me". It's crazy. The tattoos are added or not at a whim, and the backstory creation continues....
Anyway, the issue of Tranny Groups on Flickr has been raising its head recently (and I just remembered its something I've written about before). There seems to be many girls who can't quite see a problem in having thousands of groups, none of which have rules so they all have the same pics in them. They get very abusive if their "right to post" any picture they want to any group they want is questioned.
The way I see it is this. I decide I really really like taking photographs of jumbo jets. I set up a Flickr group for other Jumbo Jet enthusiasts. (oooh I picked that at random, but actually such a group exists).
Anyway, my little group ticks along quite nicely with jumbo jet enthusiasts joining in and posting their jumbo jet photographs when suddenly a railway enthusiast joins and starts posting his pictures of steamtrains.
Well as you can imagine the person who set up the group is well within her rights to remove these images. Which she does. Would the steamtrain fan then start ranting and raving on the boards about how dare the group leader remove his photos? Maybe start likening the group admins to fascists for trying to control what goes on in their group? I don't think so.
Same is true for tranny groups. If a group wants to maintain a modicum of quality on their group and try and create a unique feature by only allowing genuine photos, or not having someone post 8 identical photos with slightly different captions, or crappy photoshop pencil filters being passed off as a hand sketched portrait by a leading artist.... (I kid you not), then it is the right of the group admins to do just that.
But the new wave of tranny flickr members just don't see that. They want every group to be the same. They set their own groups up, and then let it fill up with the same crap that is on every other flickr group.
So you now get groups with names like Cum All Over a Sexy TV and other delightful groups. Strangely a few names I suggested last time I wrote about this haven't yet appeared. Tranny Spam: Post your pic to 20 groups before this one, should really be set up.
With the new Invite comment in Flickr it would be so cool to set up a group and then post comments like "Hey, you've been invited to join Badly Photoshopped Trannies"...
Becky got attacked online recently for daring to speak out at the minority of trannies who just seem to be in it just to make every tranny group a homogenous mess like all the others. Again its very much the "I can do what I want, how dare you tell me what I can and cannot post". They flood every group with the same crap discussions, often just replying amongst themselves or even worse having a 6 post conversation where they are the only poster.
I'm not trying to be elitist, or snobbish. At least not intentionally. But I just wish that they can see that if a group is set up with a very specific role, then that role is acknowledged and the members realise that they don't have a right to mess that up.
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
I was going to write something about this last week when, during all the rumpus caused by Mara over her faked photographs, I was called a fascist by another member of the group for daring to lock a thread or keep some modicum of control over a Flickr group.
I notice this morning that Miss K has already invoked Godwins Law on a discussion on TrannyFlickr where again Mara has started claiming persecution and intolerence.
I still find Mara's barefaced cheek amazing. That she can post pictures that are so obviously different people its unreal and claim that "This is the real me". It's crazy. The tattoos are added or not at a whim, and the backstory creation continues....
Anyway, the issue of Tranny Groups on Flickr has been raising its head recently (and I just remembered its something I've written about before). There seems to be many girls who can't quite see a problem in having thousands of groups, none of which have rules so they all have the same pics in them. They get very abusive if their "right to post" any picture they want to any group they want is questioned.
The way I see it is this. I decide I really really like taking photographs of jumbo jets. I set up a Flickr group for other Jumbo Jet enthusiasts. (oooh I picked that at random, but actually such a group exists).
Anyway, my little group ticks along quite nicely with jumbo jet enthusiasts joining in and posting their jumbo jet photographs when suddenly a railway enthusiast joins and starts posting his pictures of steamtrains.
Well as you can imagine the person who set up the group is well within her rights to remove these images. Which she does. Would the steamtrain fan then start ranting and raving on the boards about how dare the group leader remove his photos? Maybe start likening the group admins to fascists for trying to control what goes on in their group? I don't think so.
Same is true for tranny groups. If a group wants to maintain a modicum of quality on their group and try and create a unique feature by only allowing genuine photos, or not having someone post 8 identical photos with slightly different captions, or crappy photoshop pencil filters being passed off as a hand sketched portrait by a leading artist.... (I kid you not), then it is the right of the group admins to do just that.
But the new wave of tranny flickr members just don't see that. They want every group to be the same. They set their own groups up, and then let it fill up with the same crap that is on every other flickr group.
So you now get groups with names like Cum All Over a Sexy TV and other delightful groups. Strangely a few names I suggested last time I wrote about this haven't yet appeared. Tranny Spam: Post your pic to 20 groups before this one, should really be set up.
With the new Invite comment in Flickr it would be so cool to set up a group and then post comments like "Hey, you've been invited to join Badly Photoshopped Trannies"...
Becky got attacked online recently for daring to speak out at the minority of trannies who just seem to be in it just to make every tranny group a homogenous mess like all the others. Again its very much the "I can do what I want, how dare you tell me what I can and cannot post". They flood every group with the same crap discussions, often just replying amongst themselves or even worse having a 6 post conversation where they are the only poster.
I'm not trying to be elitist, or snobbish. At least not intentionally. But I just wish that they can see that if a group is set up with a very specific role, then that role is acknowledged and the members realise that they don't have a right to mess that up.






7 Comments:
At July 31, 2007 2:23 PM,
Jane said…
It's not being snobbish to insist on certain criteria for photos if they are going to go into a flickr group.
What gets me is I don't see this level of idoicy in other flickr groups other people seem to be able accept that there are rules and they have to abide by them and more over it's the admins right to enforce those rules.
To insist on quality is to say that there some photos are better than others and if that is elitist then celebrate your elitism because you are trying to foster excellent photos.
it strikes me that some are not able to distinguish between the photos they post on line and their real life selves which means that a criticism of one of their photos is a criticism of them. Unfortunately this fallacy is most often held by those with absolutely no photographic ability whatsoever. Also they seem to believe that the more photos online and in as many groups as possible the more valid they are.
But possibly they are just stoopid.
At July 31, 2007 3:20 PM,
rachel said…
Perhaps you're being a little harsh with these "offenders" Jo.
First, they may not have worked out that there are such things as rules and therefore can't see what all the fuss is about. And of course without understanding the concept of a rule they would have little hope of adhering to one.
Secondly, may be they are aware rules exist but have reading difficulties, which is why they flout the them. Unintentionally of course.
Thirdly, may be they can read, but don't understand.
So with your contacts, Jo, would it be possible to arrange a special needs assistant for these poor disadvantaged unfortunates?
Personally, I think you should be nominated for a sainthood, and I'm not joking. Does the term unappreciated ever cross your mind?
At July 31, 2007 4:06 PM,
Joanna said…
You're thinking an SEN programme for Trannies Rachel? Interesting idea.... We could get them all on the same Special Bus.....
One nice thing that Flickr did recently was give admins the opportunity to have new members see a page with the group rules and click on an I Accept to join.
Hasn't made a blind bit of difference though ;)
At July 31, 2007 8:33 PM,
Siobhan Curran said…
> not able to distinguish between the photos they post on line and their real life selves which means that a criticism of one of their photos is a criticism of them
Spot on Jane. It's not about the photographs, it's what's in them. So when I make a critical judgement that a photo is "shit", it's read as a personal judgement that the person in the photo is "shit".
Which isn't the case at all, obviously.
I think, perhaps, that the reason why this 'preciousness' exists in tranny groups, is because posting photos online has become a form of 'coming out' for us. The emphasis isn't on the photography - like it is in the majority of Flickr groups - it's on the people.
And the inability to see the difference between a stunning photograph, and a "snap" - which would disclude (?) photographs from most groups - is more heightened.
Or something. I'm rambling a bit
At August 01, 2007 3:01 AM,
Emilygrae said…
>So when I make a critical judgement that a photo is "shit", it's read as a personal judgement that the person in the photo is "shit".
Smeg I hope that's not the case! I don't think there's a good photo of me anywhere! I'd hate to think that was because I'm no good. Which, actually, is probably debatable. =)
At August 01, 2007 3:53 AM,
Kat said…
I suppose if the comment is "what a shit picture?" and left at that, some folks may get a little miffed.
I suppose if we can be constructive and find a glimmer of gold amongst the shite on offer, it may head off some flame wars. Then again, some folks are so far up their own (hairy) arses, anything less than a comparison with Gwen Stefani would be an affront.
As for fakes, manipulators and (the lowest of the low) picture kidnappers (fuck off, that's my picture) well, maybe it's best to adopt the old....
"move along, nothing to see here"
approach.
In some ways I think there is a bigger question at hand too, that any criticism by a Trans* person of another is somehow verboten or "unsisterly". But that is something for another thread.
At August 01, 2007 11:46 AM,
Lucinda said…
Where there are rules then they must rule. It isn't a matter for discussion. The rules should be accessable and clear. What is not acceptable is verbal abuse and character defamation by anyone.
To be when someone employs verbal abusive so often delivered in a rude manner then it is a clear indication that they have lost their status.
Jo is entitled to rule as she thinks fit. If you can find the rules and don't like them then don't be a member.
People show their true colours when under attack and Mara to me sets an example in her replies if not her images.
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